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 Sarcophaga africa ?
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| zcuc |
Posted on 08-12-2007 21:12
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
Great news, Send to the gallery. Thanks again Tony. |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 12-12-2007 10:36
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
Nice thread. Impressive to see how succesfull you where in extracting genitalia your first time. According to Lehrer (Sarcophaginae and Paramacronychiinae du Proche Orient, 2006) Sarcophaga (B.) africa is the only species of (su  genus Bercaea in Israel. Lehrer lives in Israel, so I expect him to know the fauna quiet well.Other Bercaea species are from Africa. Of these species, only genitalia of S. (B.) burungae look a bit similar to your picture. According to Lehrer (Sarcophaginae de l'Afrique, 2003) "tergite genital est brun rougatre" but yours is "brun noiratre" (compare your image with arrow 2) as it is in S. (B.) africa. Liekele |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 12-12-2007 23:43
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7193 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Liekele - If I translate correctly, Lehrer says that a Bercaea with a black pregenital tergite is africa, but a red pregenital tergite is burungae. Does that mean that the flies in the picture at http://www.dipter...to_id=1735 are misidentified? Edited by Tony Irwin on 12-12-2007 23:44 Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 13-12-2007 12:34
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
Tony, I do not know whether picture in the gallery is S. (B.) africa or not. We need genitalia to give positive identification. The genitalia in this case are really equal to S.(B.) africa as far as can be told by this quality of the picture. We may exclude burungae because of a combination of arguments (distribution, color of pregenital tergite and more or less the shape of genitalia). Liekele |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 15-12-2007 19:55
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Liekele Sijstermans wrote: I do not know whether picture in the gallery is S. (B.) africa or not. We need genitalia to give positive identification. The genitalia in this case are really equal to S.(B.) africa as far as can be told by this quality of the picture. We may exclude burungae because of a combination of arguments (distribution, color of pregenital tergite and more or less the shape of genitalia). This thread keep on giving. Now it demonstrates one of the probems of examining male genitalia: you keep finding unexpected, interesting, possibly undescribed stuff 
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but don't see the image in the post.