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| Marcello |
Posted on 20-01-2013 22:48
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Hello, I think it's an Graphomya or Anthomyia, I see the Graphomya minor is very similar but in Italy we don't have any reliable data about it. 01.10.2012 - North-East Italy (Padua)  IMG_7772 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr Thanks for the help, Marcello Edited by Marcello on 27-03-2013 12:55 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| piros |
Posted on 20-01-2013 23:03
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Member Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 1844 Joined: 04.01.12 |
Looks like Anthomyia sp. to me, but I am not an expert! Best regards, Henrik Edited by piros on 20-01-2013 23:03 |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 20-01-2013 23:15
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Maybe you'r right, here we have: Anthomyia imbrida Rondani, 1866 (N) Anthomyia liturata (Robineau-Desvoidy, 1830) (N, S, Si) Anthomyia monilis (Meigen, 1826) (N) Anthomyia pluvialis (Linnaeus, 1758) (N, S, Si, Sa) So, it could be A. imbrida or A. pluvialis Thanks! http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 21-01-2013 15:20
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
It is not Anthomyia pluvialis, (as postsutural lateral mark reaches wing base) but either imbrida, procellaris or quinquemaculata. Difficult to say as it is a female. One needs to see the pv- setae on hind tibia. |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 21-01-2013 15:32
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Thanks Michael, so it's strange, because: Anthomyia procellaris Rondani, 1866 (S, Si) Anthomyia quinquemaculata Macquart, 1839 (S, Si) These two species aren't registerd at the North italy (S = South, N = North), but the checklist aren't updated. So, here the images about the tibia 1-2-3, I hope we can see somethings more... Michael Ackland wrote:
It is not Anthomyia pluvialis, (as postsutural lateral mark reaches wing base) but either imbrida, procellaris or quinquemaculata. Difficult to say as it is a female. One needs to see the pv- setae on hind tibia. Marcello attached the following image:  [192.63Kb] Edited by Marcello on 21-01-2013 15:33 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 21-01-2013 15:38
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Here is the other shot
Marcello attached the following image:  [185.6Kb] http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 22-01-2013 10:51
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
Can't see tibial chaetotaxy clearly. Could be imbrida, procellaris or quinquemaculata. Being a female Anthomyia you need a specimen to ID these species, otherwise it's just a quess. A., procellaris surely occurs in N. Italy, it is a very common species. |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 22-01-2013 11:11
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Thanks again Michael for your help, I agree, almost impossible to see the pv setae from this position. One last question, can you please tell me a book, maybe the one wich you based too, for the EU Anthomyiidae identification? Thanks! http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 22-01-2013 15:17
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
This is a big question! There is no complete book on European Anthomyiidae. Hennig's Palaearctic work of 1960-70 is a basis, but lots of papers are needed to bring it up to date. Verner Michelsen has published many revisions of species groups, and is still working on them. If you are planning to take up the study of them, I can send you a list of papers. But you would need to collect, study under the microscope, dissect the male genitalia etc to get anywhere. Send me a private message with your email address if you would like to expand on this? |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 22-01-2013 20:44
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
I'm sending a PM, thanks! Michael Ackland wrote:
This is a big question! There is no complete book on European Anthomyiidae. Hennig's Palaearctic work of 1960-70 is a basis, but lots of papers are needed to bring it up to date. Verner Michelsen has published many revisions of species groups, and is still working on them. If you are planning to take up the study of them, I can send you a list of papers. But you would need to collect, study under the microscope, dissect the male genitalia etc to get anywhere. Send me a private message with your email address if you would like to expand on this? http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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