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lynkos	#1 Posted on 19-11-2005 11:52
Member Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 466 Joined: 20.06.05	Here I am again with what I have tentatively classified as a Muscidae. Am I anywhere near? Sarah


Zeegers	#2 Posted on 19-11-2005 11:55
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18516 Joined: 21.07.04	Hi Sarah Right ! Muscidae I would agree. Theo


lynkos	#3 Posted on 19-11-2005 12:25
Member Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 466 Joined: 20.06.05	At least I got that right! Anyone manage to get any nearer? Sarah


Kahis	#4 Posted on 19-11-2005 15:17
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04	I'd say Helina, unless I am grosly misestimating the size (many Spilogona look like this but they are smaller and less common outside the arctic). Could well be a female of H. reversio. Kahis


Nikita Vikhrev	#5 Posted on 19-11-2005 16:43
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9219 Joined: 24.05.05	Is it same fly? Sochi, 14nov, 6-8mm Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Nikita Vikhrev	#6 Posted on 19-11-2005 16:50
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9219 Joined: 24.05.05	And this one may be Spilogona? - two times less (3.5mm). Sochi, 14 nov Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


lynkos	#7 Posted on 19-11-2005 17:50
Member Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 466 Joined: 20.06.05	Difficult to say whether it's actually the same, but it's certainly very very similar. The dimensions were, in fact, about 6 mm. We are certainly a LONG way from the Arctic here! Sarah


Kahis	#8 Posted on 19-11-2005 21:12
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04	Nikita: It's not the same fly, but close. There are too many small differences in color (not that reliable) and chaetotaxy. Your fly has a prealar seta, lyncos' does not etc. Sarah: So is increasingly also Finland, thanks to global warming. Last fall was record-warm and this one breaks the records once again Kahis


Kahis	#9 Posted on 19-11-2005 21:18
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04	Nikita Vikhrev wrote: And this one may be Spilogona? - two times less (3.5mm). Sochi, 14 nov Sorry. It belongs to another subfamily of Muscidae, the Coenosiinae. I'm very suprised if that is not Lispocephala eryhtrocera Kahis


Nikita Vikhrev	#10 Posted on 19-11-2005 22:13
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9219 Joined: 24.05.05	1. Thank you Jere 2. How much close, it is Helina sp. or same subfamily? 3. May I put the second image as Lispocephala eryhtrocera(?) ? Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


lynkos	#11 Posted on 20-11-2005 09:47
Member Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 466 Joined: 20.06.05	Thanks Kahis - we've just gone from 12?C at night to O?C in the space of two days. Drastic collapse in my "hunting" results and sore throats abound Sarah


Nikita Vikhrev	#12 Posted on 20-11-2005 10:34
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9219 Joined: 24.05.05	Hi Sarah. Don't worry about the weather! There are two main reason why I fall in love especialy with Diptera: 1. It exsist as wanderfull source of information as Diptera.info 2. Odonata, for example, is only 3-4 month/year available group. But Diptera is "all weather aviation". Even in cold Moscow in the end of november it is still possible to find some. In compare with Moscow your winter perspectives aroun Roma looks "tropical-rich". So, good hutn to you! Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


lynkos	#13 Posted on 20-11-2005 11:37
Member Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 466 Joined: 20.06.05	Couldn't agree with you more Nikita, on all points! My enthusiasm for this fascinating but difficult order is all credit to this great bunch of people and the willing and authoritative feedback I find here. It's a wonderful stimulus to go on hunting and, hopefully, to start learning something as well! A big hug of thanks to you all, Sarah

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