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| blaauw7 |
Posted on 15-09-2013 13:16
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 Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2545 Joined: 22.09.07 |
Found in river forelands river Rhine Netherlands on the shore of a small pond. relatively small fly... Gr Dick blaauw7 attached the following image:  [197.48Kb] |
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| blaauw7 |
Posted on 15-09-2013 13:16
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2545 Joined: 22.09.07 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 15-09-2013 18:20
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Spilogona ? More pictures please.
Stephane. |
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| blaauw7 |
Posted on 15-09-2013 19:01
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2545 Joined: 22.09.07 |
more pictures.....
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| blaauw7 |
Posted on 15-09-2013 19:02
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| blaauw7 |
Posted on 15-09-2013 19:02
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 15-09-2013 20:24
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
It is risky labelling a Spilogona from pictures, but I'm pretty sure it is Spilogona scutulata. With the specimen in hands I could confirm (or not).
Stephane. |
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| blaauw7 |
Posted on 16-09-2013 20:21
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2545 Joined: 22.09.07 |
Thank you Stephane! if it is an Spilogona scutulata it would be a new species for the Netherlands, I will send it to Joke van Erkelens for identification. Gr Dick |
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| oceanlis2000 |
Posted on 19-09-2013 10:47
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Member Location: Wales, UK Posts: 570 Joined: 15.06.10 |
This is another great find and a new one for me, would it be possible for you to put on a photo showing the abdominal patterning on the tergites? With Best Wishes Elisabeth Dr Elisabeth A. Harris @FloraConsUK |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 19-09-2013 18:29
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Let's wait for a confirmation before being enthusiastic. 
Stephane. |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 19-09-2013 22:15
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Confirmed ! Johanna |
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| blaauw7 |
Posted on 20-09-2013 09:26
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Member Location: Wageningen, Netherlands Posts: 2545 Joined: 22.09.07 |
Thats good news Johanna! A new species for the Netherlands!! Thanks Gr Dick |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 20-09-2013 17:41
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Wonderful ! Many thanks Johanna. 
Stephane. |
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| oceanlis2000 |
Posted on 27-09-2013 10:37
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Member Location: Wales, UK Posts: 570 Joined: 15.06.10 |
Hello Johanna My queries were due to the key in Fonseca 1968 This states that for the female the abdominal spots are somewhat faint sometimes absent and tibia 2 has 0 bristles beneath (rest is ok) Does your key give any information on this, abdominal spots don't look faint and tibia 2 does look like it has ventral setae? It's a rare species in the UK so there may be variation? With Best Wishes Elisabeth http://www.flickr.com/photos/floraconservationuk/sets/ Dr Elisabeth A. Harris @FloraConsUK |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 27-09-2013 18:27
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
The first pictures (living fly) don't show the black blob : it is due to handling I think. And I can't see any ventral seta on t2, just a little pd (I have not the fly though).
Stephane. |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 27-09-2013 20:32
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Dick send me two specimen, who I checked with Gregor/Roxkosny and Hennig. With both keys, the specimen turned out to be S. scutulata In both keys there is no full description of the female legs chaetotaxy. In male specimen the t2 could have 1-2 pd setae (no ventral setae) The female specimen from Dick, both have 2 pd setae, close to each other. Also there where no black spots on the abdomen, so it seems to be a wet spot on the pictures. (I know Dick saves most specimen in the fridge and takes his photos of the flies after a while, so could be some condensation) There are some very vague brown fadings on the abdomen, but no clear spots. Johanna Edited by javanerkelens on 27-09-2013 20:59 |
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| oceanlis2000 |
Posted on 30-09-2013 11:33
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Member Location: Wales, UK Posts: 570 Joined: 15.06.10 |
Thanks to you both for the comments from what you have said everything fits ok tibia 2 with 2 pd (no ventral setae)and faint spots on the abdomen Perfect Elisabeth http://www.flickr.com/photos/floraconservationuk/sets/ Dr Elisabeth A. Harris @FloraConsUK |
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