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 Thyreophora cynophila, a diptera extincts, is founded in Spain
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| libellulasman |
Posted on 05-08-2010 20:51
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Member Location: Logroño-La Rioja-España Posts: 4 Joined: 05.08.10 |
The piophilid Thyreophora cynophila (Panzer) has been collected in Spain after having disappeared for 160 years. We have founded it in La Rioja mountains (Spain): a photograph returned it to the life. An amazing discovery that you can see in www.libellulasman...: available article and video. |
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| Gerard Pennards |
Posted on 05-08-2010 21:28
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 Member Location: Amersfoort Posts: 1914 Joined: 07.06.04 |
Wow wow wow, great rediscovery, congratulations. It's a wonderful fly indeed.... Greetings Greetings, Gerard Pennards |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 05-08-2010 21:41
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
WOW!!! February!! I must go there.  really the term "extinct" is wrong. Nevertheless it is a great rediscovery. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 06-08-2010 08:17 |
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| libellulasman |
Posted on 06-08-2010 08:28
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Member Location: Logroño-La Rioja-España Posts: 4 Joined: 05.08.10 |
Hi, again: This is a photograph of Thyreophora cynophila: it´s beautiful male really...  www.libellulasman... |
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| paqui |
Posted on 07-08-2010 18:31
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
Well done! It´s amazing, and a very beatiful fly. Could you abandon Odonata and begin with Diptera? Maybe you´re the one to find many other flies like this  Congratulations! |
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| Don Micro |
Posted on 07-08-2010 19:02
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 Member Location: Hasselt, Belgium Posts: 441 Joined: 13.06.10 |
What a find. Congrats!
Kim Windmolders |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 07-08-2010 22:44
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Not really an identification query but I wasn't sure where to drop this thread ... the Lounge is usually for less entomological things
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 08-08-2010 11:24
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 Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
May I ask if early spring is typical for fly species developing in big dead animals? Or is it just a coincidence?
Walter Pfliegler - Amateur Nature Photographer from Hungary (and molecular biologist) |
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| paqui |
Posted on 08-08-2010 14:34
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
I have no idea, but that´s very interesting, may it depend on the habitat? I ignore the importance of the size of the dead animal, but Mégnin (La faune des tombeaux) said many Diptera species occur in summer [...] and made a calendar of some Muscidae, Calliphoridae, Phoridae and other orders (time to appear, to pupate, etc), but that was good for Paris and not valid for forensic use in other places (?). A more recent book "Entomology and law" (interesting too) has a table (for Calyptratae) with the number of hours for hatching depending on temperature (considering palaearctic and nearctic fauna) (?) |
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| libellulasman |
Posted on 09-08-2010 08:18
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Member Location: Logroño-La Rioja-España Posts: 4 Joined: 05.08.10 |
THANKS paqui! And thank you Gerard Pennards, jorgemotalmeida and Don Micro. Paqui, i try to be an utterer of Odonata world with www.libellulasman... and a total Entomologist to investigate La Rioja (Spain). I was lucky because a friend came out in photographs of that fly but he didn't know what it was and, what important it was!!! I think the labor that amateur photographs realize is very important to investigators and this is a test of it. But my world is Odonatology... NOW. NOTE: thanks ChrisR to put this post in OK place. www.libellulasman.com |
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| libellulasman |
Posted on 16-08-2010 19:25
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Member Location: Logroño-La Rioja-España Posts: 4 Joined: 05.08.10 |
Estimated pwalter: Thyreophora cynophila is a specie associated with the cold. When temperatures ascend, other flies come to the corpses and T. cynophila cannot compete. I'm speaking about 4-10º C. Because of it flies on February-March and October-November. www.libellulasman.com |
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| Thomas Pape |
Posted on 18-08-2010 17:02
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Member Location: Natural History Museum of Denmark Posts: 110 Joined: 29.08.05 |
Already Robineau-Desvoidy noted that T. cynophila was active in the colder part of the year, and he observed it walking slowly on carcasses of donkeys and dogs in the outskirts of Paris when patches of snow were still remaining. A superb paper summarising what is known about T. cynophila will soon appear in Systematic Entomology. It is indeed surprising that this species after 'hiding' for more than 150 years suddenly makes its appearance at several localities in Spain. |
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| Jan HC Velterop |
Posted on 24-09-2010 15:12
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Member Location: Enschede NL 7544 ZE 106 Posts: 56 Joined: 08.03.06 |
The Systematic Entomology-article has been publiished; find the abstract at: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3113.2010.00541.x/abstract. This week also popular press discovered the item, as you can google. With indonesian, chinese, polish, czech and more articles, also adding more photos. Since 23-09 22:33 there is an avalanche of >50 (spanish) comments on http://blogs.20minutos.es/cronicaverde/2010/09/23/resucitan-a-una-mosca-extinguida/, with new find and photos, and the original video. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-09-2010 18:13
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Many of those comments in the aforementioned blog are pure blunders or shows an incredible ignorance. But there are also very nice comments like those who tell that Entomology is clearly undervalued. People don't give the respect that living animals should have. Flies forever! http://news.googl...hyreophora horror???? 
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 24-09-2010 18:16 |
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| Jan HC Velterop |
Posted on 25-09-2010 01:34
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Member Location: Enschede NL 7544 ZE 106 Posts: 56 Joined: 08.03.06 |
I just found the complete article with photos of Boletín de la Sociedad Entomológica Aragonesa, 46: 1-7 on: http://www.sea-entomologia.org/PDF/001007BSEA46Thyreophorabr.pdf. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 25-09-2010 02:03
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
The first group that found Thyreophora cynophila was Martin's team from Madrid. They captured some specimens of T. cynophila in 2007.. "Sarcosaprop.hagous insects were studied in natural habitats in Madrid Province, central Spain from June 2006 to May 2007 using carrion-baited traps at 21 localities." They wrote an article known as: Back from the dead: Thyreophora cynophila (Panzer, 1798) (Diptera: Piophilidae) ‘globally extinct’ fugitive in Spain 1. DANIEL MARTÍN-VEGA1,*, 2. ARTURO BAZ1, 3. VERNER MICHELSEN2 Curious to know that : "T. cynophila was claimed as the first case of a dipteran species eradicated by humans in historical times (Courtney et al., 2009)." Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 25-09-2010 02:06 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-12-2010 13:51
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19226 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Just received a specimen of Thyreophora cynophila. 
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 07-12-2010 13:58
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
There are so lucky guys! Is it from Rioja - Spain, Paul?
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 07-12-2010 13:59 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-12-2010 14:25
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19226 Joined: 11.05.04 |
No, it is from Purto de la Morcuera.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 08-12-2010 12:48
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
just great! Only about 4 hours trip to reach there. |
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