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 Mydidae -> Syllegomydas cf. algiricus (jorge mota)
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| SkyPlooM |
Posted on 10-08-2009 19:42
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Hi, I've found this Mydidae in Alicante (South Spain) Jorge has identified as Leptomydas lusitanicus.    I Think this could be female   I think this could be male What do you think?? Thanks a lot. Cheers. Edited by SkyPlooM on 12-08-2009 17:57 Veganism save lifes. My personal web with a lot of insects macro pics: http://www.mariod...com/fotos/ An article in spanish about Platynochaetus setosus (Syrphidae): http://mdm84.word...s-setosus/ Cheers  |
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| conopid |
Posted on 11-08-2009 20:06
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Jorge knows his flies, so please add this the gallery
Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| SkyPlooM |
Posted on 12-08-2009 07:34
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Yes, Jorge knows a lot of about flies. I will add to the gallery. Veganism save lifes. My personal web with a lot of insects macro pics: http://www.mariod...com/fotos/ An article in spanish about Platynochaetus setosus (Syrphidae): http://mdm84.word...s-setosus/ Cheers |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 12-08-2009 16:10
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
well, this is NOT a Leptomydas. Why? Because the wing venation photo (I don't recall if I *really* saw that photo of venation wing) shows clearly that m1 DOESN'T REACH the costa, but the R1 vein. This is a Syllegomydas -- not a Hispanomydas because the second flagellomere has an apical wart-like projection!! WOW! This seems to be S. cf. algiricus. It is a pity that you cannot collect it, because I would like to add this fly for Iberian Peninsula. It seems that Torsten has appointed this genus for Spain: "Syllegomydas Becker, 1906: 277 type species: Mydas cinctus (Macquart, 1835) (designation of Sack (1934: 23)) Notobates Hesse, 1969 - subgenus of Syllegomydas Afrotropical: Chad, Ethiopia, Malawi, Mali, Mozambique, Niger, Sudan, Zimbabwe Palaearctic: Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Libya, Morocco, Spain, Tunisia " but in 2002, there was not citation for this genus in Tolrá's catalog...  I would like to see the specimens.
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 12-08-2009 20:46 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 12-08-2009 16:36
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
here http://www.galeri...mydas2.jpg shows a REAL Leptomydas. We can see clearly that M1 vein reaches the costa and not R1. |
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| SkyPlooM |
Posted on 12-08-2009 16:56
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Member Location: Posts: 26 Joined: 28.03.09 |
Jorge thanks again. I've found this http://www.insectariumvirtual.com/galeria/Syllegomydas-cf-algericus-img80657.html and it looks like mine. Do you know where can I find keys for spanish mydidae?? They could be male and female?? Next year I will try to find this mydidae again. Thanks again. Cheers. Veganism save lifes. My personal web with a lot of insects macro pics: http://www.mariod...com/fotos/ An article in spanish about Platynochaetus setosus (Syrphidae): http://mdm84.word...s-setosus/ Cheers |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 12-08-2009 17:03
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
it is *algiricus* not algericus. Syllegomydas algiricus Gerstaecker, 1868 I would need the full description of algiricus. I only have access to some info. |
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| SkyPlooM |
Posted on 12-08-2009 17:59
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Member Location: Posts: 26 Joined: 28.03.09 |
Thanks again jorge.
Veganism save lifes. My personal web with a lot of insects macro pics: http://www.mariod...com/fotos/ An article in spanish about Platynochaetus setosus (Syrphidae): http://mdm84.word...s-setosus/ Cheers |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 12-08-2009 20:47
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I hope you find the Leptomydas and Hispanomydas... They are present in the Southeast Spain as well.
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 12-08-2009 20:48 |
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| Torsten Dikow |
Posted on 30-06-2010 22:29
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 Member Location: Washington, DC, USA Posts: 12 Joined: 17.06.09 |
Hi, I know I am a year too late, but would like to add. This is definitely a Syllegomydas. Miguel Carles-Tolra published a paper in 2006 in which he recorded this species for the first time from Spain (Almeria, Cabo de Gata, Retamar) http://www.mydida.../node/8739. If you could collect one this year that would be great. I am currently working on a phylogeny (morphological and molecular) of this family and if you could catch a specimen in 95% ethanol for inclusion in the molecular data-set that would be outstanding. I do have pinned specimens from Tunisia - see http://www.mydida...e/node/626. Could I use some of these images for the Mydidae web-site www.mydidae.tdvia.de? I am certainly acknowledging the photographer. Thanks, Torsten Torsten DikowT@si.edu http://asiloidfli... |
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| Torsten Dikow |
Posted on 08-07-2011 19:56
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Member Location: Washington, DC, USA Posts: 12 Joined: 17.06.09 |
This species is actually Hispanomydas hispanicus! See also http://www.dipter...d_id=39774.
Torsten DikowT@si.edu http://asiloidfli... |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 12-07-2011 14:41
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Well, I am looking at Vera Richter drawings (Manual of Palearctic Diptera) of Mydidae antennae, and it is very clear that Hispanomydas hispanicus has a very pyriform second flagellomere without any wart-like projection, but the photo shows very clearly such projection (specially the last one). (making it a Syllegomydas; it is very clear and surely 100% that never could be a Leptomydas) So, or Vera Ricther is wrong (which I highly doubt in this case), or maybe the labels in NHML were changed or the drawings of the antennae were wrongly placed or someone propagated the error before Vera? It is very clear that Vera Richter's key splits out the Hispanomydas and Syllegomydas based in the forementioned feature... Thanks for your feeback.
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 12-07-2011 14:49 |
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