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Heleomyzidae - Suillia?
Robert Heemskerk
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 hi flyforum,

Yesterday I found this fly in swampy reetland in the Amsterdam forest.
size ~8-9mm
It got different coloured eyes Shock
I think it is a Heleomyzidae sp., and with it's dark veins perhabs Suillia?

suggestions are welcome Smile
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 detail of headparts
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 Hmm, not Heleomyzidae !. The postvertical setae are divergent Wink.
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 Thank you Andrzej

''The postvertical setae are divergent'', it took me some time but I think I found them Cool

I have illustrate them with some arrows. (I am right?)

It is not Heleomyzidae?, what kind of fly could it be else? Frown
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 In a former thread Kahis wrote about Suillia:
The five dorsocentral setae (per row) is a good character for this genus: 1 before the suture and 4 behind.
I see only 4 setae in one row...
Here my wisdom ends!Wink
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 No time to check, but possiblt Eurygnathomyia bicolor (Pallopteridae) ??
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 Hi Kahis,

I cannot find Eurygnathomyia sp. in the dutch specieslist.

Under Pallopteridae I find 9 Palloptera sp.:
1. ambusta
2. modesta
3. muliebris
4. quinquemaculata
5. saltuum
6. trimacula
7. umbellatarum
8. usta
9. ustulata

Eurygnathomyia sp. got preapical bristles, Palloptera does not(that's what I read..)
Maybe it is not possible to check these from these details, but next to the apical bristles I don't see 'the preapicals' (maybe you don't see them because they are behind te legs on the picture) But I give them a try..
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 It could be Palloptera scutellata - just recently added to the dutch list. It could be a male and if it is a male it would be an interesting record because there have been only females been recorded in the Netherlands and in Germany before.

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 That would be great! Wink

It would be nice if someone could confirm this or help me any further, if possible..
I don't have keys for determination for these species.

Looking to Palloptera-species in the diptera Gallery(checking the obvious wingpatterns) and to the time in the year when these flies are active, two species I cannot check: P. ambusta and P. modesta.
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 It seems to me Jens-Hermann is right: Palloptera scutellata.
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Under Pallopteridae I find 9 Palloptera sp.:
1. ambusta
2. modesta
3. muliebris
4. quinquemaculata
5. saltuum
6. trimacula
7. umbellatarum
8. usta
9. ustulata


The key to the British Pallopteridae (by Alan Stubbs, 1994, revised by David Clements, 1999) includes all the above species plus anderssoni, bicolor, laetabilis and scutellata. This specimen keys out to scutellata Smile, which is the only member of the genus (in Britain) with the combination of unmarked wing apex plus greyish marks elsewhere on the wing.

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 Wow! Shock , that's nice

I've read that the fly was catched in 2003, and also in 2004 and 2005. And only females where found?! (http://library.wur.nl/WebQuery/gkn/lang/1845147)

Is the differerence between male and female visible from these pictures?
 
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 A rather late response, but it looks like a male specimen to me. I hope John will also have a look and will give his opinion.
Jan Willem van Zuijlen
 
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 Hi all,

Definitely P. scutellata!
And yes, it seems to be the first male! Congratulations Robert!
Do you perhaps have the exact locallity and further details for the Database, please?!

John
 
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 Hi John,

You can find the precize co?rdinates and data on:

http://waarneming...id=3256922

If you need anything further, ask me.
Maybe I can help
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