Gallery Links
Users Online
· Guests Online: 41

· Members Online: 0

· Total Members: 5,041
· Newest Member: ramon mello
Forum Threads
Theme Switcher
Switch to:
Last Seen Users
· Volker01:19:53
· Lavendel01:24:14
· Juergen Peters04:36:08
· John Carr05:48:13
· Ira Orlicek06:01:28
· ramon mello06:27:48
· Mario Renden07:34:54
· BartNap07:48:53
· Garret07:50:02
· CedricMondy07:53:15
Latest Photo Additions
View Thread
Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
Who is here? 1 guest(s)
 Print Thread
Musca domestica?
jorgemotalmeida
#1 Print Post
Posted on 31-08-2006 22:30
User Avatar

Member

Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL
Posts: 9296
Joined: 05.06.06

Three flies talking about diptera.info Smile

Taken on 13th July 2006 in Silgueiros - Viseu - PORTUGAL


Muscidae by sure... Musca domestica???
jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:


[189.73Kb]
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/superegnum
Tony Irwin
#2 Print Post
Posted on 01-09-2006 09:17
User Avatar

Member

Location: Norwich, England
Posts: 7286
Joined: 19.11.04

I'd say domestica - female with narrow frontal orbits, male with eyes separated by more than the width of first flagellomere (third antennal segment)
Tony
----------
Tony Irwin
 
jorgemotalmeida
#3 Print Post
Posted on 01-09-2006 13:32
User Avatar

Member

Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL
Posts: 9296
Joined: 05.06.06

Tony Irwin wrote:
I'd say domestica - female with narrow frontal orbits, male with eyes separated by more than the width of first flagellomere (third antennal segment)



So, just we have one female and two males in this pic, right? Smile Female is one above in relation to other 2 flies?

To split Musca in domestica and autumnalis, we just need see reddish hue in abdomen? (this case for autumnalis?) How can we have sure?
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/superegnum
Tony Irwin
#4 Print Post
Posted on 01-09-2006 15:16
User Avatar

Member

Location: Norwich, England
Posts: 7286
Joined: 19.11.04

No,we have two females (lower, with broader abdomens and wider frons) and one male (upper, with narrower abdomen and frons).
The colour of Musca domestica abdomen varies, often depending on where you are. Sometimes (as in your photo) both male and female have pale side patches. In autumnalis the male often has bright orange patches, but the female is all grey.
It's safer to rely on the relative widths of the frons and orbits. In autumnalis the male eyes are narrowly separated, and the female frontal orbits are very wide (each nearly as wide as the frontalia). In domestica the male eyes are separated by about twice the width of the third antennal segment, and the female orbits are only about a fifth the width of the frontalia.
And don't forget that although these are the commonest species, there are other species in Europe as well.
Edited by Tony Irwin on 01-09-2006 15:19
Tony
----------
Tony Irwin
 
Jump to Forum:
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
cf. Billaea kolomyetzi -> Musca autumnalis-male Diptera (adults) 4 06-04-2025 19:01
Sarcophagidae sp.? --> Musca autumnalis (female) Diptera (adults) 6 18-03-2025 12:31
Muscidae-> Musca autumnalis Diptera (adults) 4 27-02-2025 09:42
Musca domestica (f) <-- Which Musca? Diptera (adults) 5 28-09-2024 09:32
Musca domestica with parasite ? Diptera (adults) 2 14-09-2024 13:19
Date and time
07 July 2025 06:23
Login
Username

Password



Not a member yet?
Click here to register.

Forgotten your password?
Request a new one here.
Temporary email?
Due to fact this site has functionality making use of your email address, any registration using a temporary email address will be rejected.

Paul
Donate
Please, help to make
Diptera.info
possible and enable
further improvements!
Latest Articles
Syrph the Net
Those who want to have access to the Syrph the Net database need to sign the
License Agreement -
Click to Download


Public files of Syrph the Net can be downloaded HERE

Last updated: 25.08.2011
Shoutbox
You must login to post a message.

23.06.25 18:10
If you have some spare money, there is a copy (together with keys to pupae and larvae) for sale by Hermann L. Strack, Loguivy Plougras, France

23.06.25 11:18
Appreciate it, Tony Irwin! I got the hint to use the key next to Langton and Pinder key for females of Chironomidae. So no specific queries, except the keys... I will keep this on my list and hope th

19.06.25 15:33
I have the hard copy book, if you have any specific queries, but I'm not scanning the 500+ pages!

02.06.25 18:26
Anyone has "Chironomidae of the Holarctic region. Keys and diagnoses. Part 3. Adult Males Entomologica Scandinavica Supplement 34"? smolwaarneming@gma
il.com

28.05.25 20:57
I have Russian Coenosia. nikita6510@ya.ru

28.05.25 12:25
Is someone able to share with me "A key to the Russian species of the genus Coenosia"?

08.05.25 18:22
I have

03.05.25 08:35
Does someone has a scan of Nartshuk E.P. 2003. Key to families of Diptera (Insecta) of the fauna of Russian and adjacent countries. Proceedings of the Zoological Institute Vol. 294: 1-252 for me?

10.03.25 18:02
We are looking for a new webmaster https://diptera.in
fo/forum/viewthrea
d.php?thread_id=11
5023&rowstart=20

04.03.25 17:10
Please use the link posted below to remember and honour Paul, if you wish

Render time: 2.51 seconds | 230,360,270 unique visits